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Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 138	Posted - 2012.08.20 10:25:00 - [1] - Quote John Ratcliffe wrote: I love my CNR - awesome ship for Lvl 4s My fit is: 7 CN CM Launcher Black Eagle Drone Link Augmenter Gist X-Type Shield Booster Gist x-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Cap Recharger II CN Invuln 2 Gist active resists (changed for each mission) 3 CN BCU 2 PDS II 3 x CCC 1s I use CN Faction CMs. Booster perma runs. 5 Hammerhead IIs deal with Frigs. You realise that your bling faction fetish fit does less dps than an actual good fit which doesn't need all that nonsense, right? Amat victoria curam.
Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 138	Posted - 2012.08.20 11:03:00 - [2] - Quote John Ratcliffe wrote: Vilnius Zar wrote: You realise that your bling faction fetish fit does less dps than an actual good fit which doesn't need all that nonsense, right? It's not intentionally bling - I put that together at the start of the year when I had really low skills and couldn't run a T2 build. Happy to change it if you can point to something better, but it does Lvl 4s very well TBH. Bit of a pet peeve I must admit but I really don't understand why people put on bling stuff you don't need, and generally those fit perform badly as well. Good example is that clown who lost a 3 billion fit Fleet typhoon with zero dps, obviously an idiot, obviously clueless on the game. Not saying all bling fits are clueless pilots but more often than not they are. The main issue is not using rigor rigs, those really help increasing your applied dps against non-BS targets so using them speeds up your missioning meaning more income and less boredom. the downside is that you can't get a perma tank anymore but you can solve that in two ways. Either just accept that you have limited tank life (which is almost never a problem) or switch to a cap boosted fit. If you use a cap booster you only waste one slot on cap, not 3 rigs and 2 low slots, result is that you can focus your dps&tank a whole lot better that way and because you kill faster you also need less tank to begin with. Have a look here, would you want a tad more tank you could drop the AB in favour of more resists but it really isn't needed and speed can always be useful, either to get to a gate or to pick up a mission item. [Raven Navy Issue, PVE - LVL 4 Guristas] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Signal Amplifier II 100MN Afterburner II Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster Thermic Dissipation Field II Caldari Navy Kinetic Deflection Field Kinetic Deflection Field II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Hobgoblin II x5 Garde II x3 Amat victoria curam.
Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 138	Posted - 2012.08.20 11:30:00 - [3] - Quote MarvinOne wrote: fit needs adjusting IMHO ( i flew CNR for more than a year) a) replace a rigor with 1 flare (all 3 T2 ofc) b) navy missiles c) a painter d) gist a-type large shield booster + a shield boost amp e) remove cap booster f) remove afterburner a) after having done the math using actual realistic scenarios, there's zero reason to use 2 rigors +1 flare over 3 rigors, and would you start to use T2 ammo then that would favour rigors. So no. b) which has nothing to do with the fit as such, a non-issue c) not needed, with 3 rigors you get to cruiser-like explosion radius d) dumb faction fetish bling bullshit, it's not needed and makes you into a gank target. e) sure, give a fit without a cap booster that allows for rigor rigs and 4 BCS f) not needed, there's enough tank already and increased speed can, in some missions, give faster completion times. In short, you wrote a lot of nonsense. Amat victoria curam.
Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 139	Posted - 2012.08.21 11:28:00 - [4] - Quote John Ratcliffe wrote: Is there any point in fitting a TP if you also fit 3 Rigors? P.S. Apologies to the OP for hijacking his thread, but I'm sure the responses will help him too Painter will still help against cruisers increasing applied dps but against BCs it'll be ineffective. The problem is that 1 painter simply doesn't work due to module cycle time and having to wait till your missile hits the target, so in theory it helps but in practise you'll miss out on a whole lot of targets and it's annoying as fck. You'd need 2-3 painters to make up for the module cycle issues but it would still be very annoying (one of the reasons I'm no fan of the golem, it NEEDS painters). If you want your effort to actually net results then don't fly a Raven hull but get a turret ship like a Mach, NM/Pally or a Navy Mega/Kronos. Raven hull will for ever be slower to complete missions due to mediocre dps and missile travel time, they're easy to use and all that but they're not amazing. Amat victoria curam.
Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 139	Posted - 2012.08.21 14:11:00 - [5] - Quote Aamrr wrote: Is there any reason nobody is looking at a dual-ASB setup? They work marvelously, in my experience. Cost, those charges start to add up isk wise. Amat victoria curam.
Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 139	Posted - 2012.08.21 16:20:00 - [6] - Quote Aamrr wrote: You're joking, right? We're seeing plenty of cap boosted setups. A shield boost amplifier uses that capacitor about 3 times more efficiently than a typical cap/shield booster combination. If a ship can run missions with a capacitor injector, it can run them with an ancillary shield booster. Just to humor you, let's look at the cost you're complaining about. The median selling price is approximately 8000 isk/unit (I use 400 charges). I use approximately 5-10 per mission. Each mission pays out somewhere between 10 and 20 million isk, not including salvage and LP. I'm spending about 50,000 isk to earn ~15 million isk. That means that for every three hundred missions I complete, I'll have to do one more. I usually spend forty times that paying for T2 missiles, and consider it well worth the expense. Capacitor charge cost is most definitely not a legitimate reason to avoid the ancillary shield booster. Yes, lets entirely forget you can use normal shield booster without cap boosters for the most part, relying on cap regen, and ONLY need to pop booster charges in case of heavy tanking. If you only need 8-10 shield boosts per mission you could have done it with a normal shield booster without cap boosters alltogether. Amat victoria curam.
Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 139	Posted - 2012.08.21 21:49:00 - [7] - Quote Aamrr wrote: Alright. Let's say I'm off on the capacitor count. I do missions pretty efficiently, and rats don't get a chance to do much damage to me. Let's say I'm off by an ORDER OF MAGNITUDE. 50 charges per mission. I think that's absurd, but sure, let's make the assumption. You now have to do an additional mission every 30 missions to make up the difference. The horror. So you'll add a 4th BCS because getting 5% more overall dps makes sense (and it does) but at the same time you agree to losing 5-10% of your income per mission wasted on cap boosters. Using ASB's doesn't help you do missions faster (unlike faction ammo&damage mods) therefore increasing your running cost by using them doesn't help you. It's just not logical :) Amat victoria curam.
Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 139	Posted - 2012.08.21 23:28:00 - [8] - Quote Aamrr wrote: How does 1/30 (a gross overestimate) = 5-10%? And it absolutely helps, because it lets you trim off damage mods and makes you less of a loot pinata. These expenses are utterly inconsequential relative to ammunition costs. I can't believe we're actually discussing them. Because it invalidates your fitting idea. Also not all missions pay that well so 5-10% sounds about right. Amat victoria curam.
Vilnius Zar Ordo Ardish 140	Posted - 2012.08.22 07:06:00 - [9] - Quote Tau Cabalander wrote: I updated my fit above. Turns out I was wrong: I am using a Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster, and it is 34m less than a CN! Would you use Fury ammo then you're always better off with 3 rigors over 2 rigor +1 flare. And yup, the Pith-C types are mostly forgotten by people, hence they're very cheap and actually very good, if not ideal for lazy perma tanking fits :P Amat victoria curam.

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